Genitality in Tagalog

potetjp · January 2017

Is this cover both discrete and explicit enough?

http://www.lulu.com/shop/jean-paul-g-potet/genitality-in-tagalog/paperback/product-22939977.html

TheJesusNinja · January 2017

Not sure what to say. Seems a little too simple to me. Maybe a use a different graphic to show what you mean. I'm no expert though just my opinion.

Just Kevin · January 2017

It is too abstract.

I have a book full of images similar to that. It is an old carpentry book called Woodwork for Schools Smiley Happy

At first glance I thought your book covered the same subject.

I had to look the word up due to the 'ity' and the Miriam Webster dictionary actually asks people where they got the word from!

But from what I can gather it means far more than just sexual intercourse and seems to be a common word in some psychoanalyst circles.

Skoob_ym · January 2017

When I think of metaphors other than a mortise-and-tenon joint, I find them to be more explicit, so I think you've hit a good balance.

I had to look at it twice to see that it wasn't a reference to carpentry, even after wondering if you meant Geniality (which, clearly you don't, though a certain amount of congeniality would be relevant).

An interesting approach to a delicate subject.

oncewas · January 2017

I don't believe that your cover is discrete enough. Even an academic treatise on the subject could venture into something a little more carnal. How about a picture of a statue? This could be both discrete and explicit enough to attract the eye and convey meaning. Also, I don't think the font colour works very well with the background.

Isn't English a wonderful language? Discrete and discreet: so close together and yet so very far apart!

potetjp · January 2017

Thanks. One cannot be too explicit about this topic, can we?

potetjp · January 2017

kevinlomas a écrit :
It is too abstract.

I have a book full of images similar to that. It is an old carpentry book called Woodwork for Schools
At first glance I thought your book covered the same subject.

Yes, I was inspired by a joinery book.

I had to look the word up due to the 'ity' and the Miriam Webster dictionary actually asks people where they got the word from!

But from what I can gather it means far more than just sexual intercourse and seems to be a common word in some psychoanalyst circles.

Yes it's a diachronic study of sex among the Tagalogs through the vocabulary.

Thanks

potetjp · January 2017

Skoob_Ym a écrit :
When I think of metaphors other than a mortise-and-tenon joint, I find them to be more explicit, so I think you've hit a good balance.

The initial project was with an electrical plug with a socket, but it was too modern for such an activity that has always existed.

I had to look at it twice to see that it wasn't a reference to carpentry, even after wondering if you meant Geniality (which, clearly you don't, though a certain amount of congeniality would be relevant).

An interesting approach to a delicate subject.

Thanks

potetjp · January 2017

danielblue a écrit :
I don't believe that your cover is discrete enough. Even an academic treatise on the subject could venture into something a little more carnal. How about a picture of a statue? This could be both discrete and explicit enough to attract the eye and convey meaning. Also, I don't think the font colour works very well with the background.

Isn't English a wonderful language? Discrete and discreet: so close together and yet so very far apart!

You are right; I should have written "discreet", the adjective corresponding to "discretion". Sorry.

At a time I contemplated using the rice god of the mountaineers of Luzon. It is squatting and its penis is visible, but such wooden statues are so crude, primitive and ugly that I don't like them.

Greek statues were out of the question because the Philippines is basically a puritan country (300 years in a convent; 50 years in Hollywood), hence hypocrites about sex.

Thanks

Skoob_ym · January 2017

You may understate the hypocrisy.

If my colleagues (and my own eyes) are to be believed in even a small part, one may persuade a Filipina prostitute to do nearly anything at all: the only thing off-limits is to suggest by word or deed that a prostitute is in fact a prostitute. That suggestion would constitute a Grave Oral Defamation, and could lead to both criminal and civil penalties.

I, myself, did not partake.

Just Kevin · January 2017

Isn't English a wonderful language? Discrete and discreet: so close together and yet so very far apart!

Descrete could mean being discreet about what one says. Smiley Very Happy

Just Kevin · January 2017

What age is this book aimed at?

Anyway, old films used to use clips of trains entering tunnels, or reverse clips of chimneys being demolished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJWJE0x7T4Q

But if you look the word up it refers to far more than just sex, it can also refer to other social interaction, apparently.

Just Kevin · January 2017

There's a story about early Russian and American joint space enterprises, but it could be just an urban myth.

When they decided between them to dock a US capsule with the Russian Space Station they had a big argument about who should have the 'female' docking adapter and who should have the 'male' one.

Just Kevin · January 2017

It only needs to hint at the sexual act. This is not exactly seen as porn and is on display to all in the Tate.

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Just Kevin · January 2017

Modern, old and ancient art often depicts genitals, and so do the books covering the subjects. Museums and art galleries are also full of examples of them (usually attached to someone) and are often gawped at by people of all ages. They may generate a chuckle or a snigger but they are not looked on as disgusting "should be in a brown envelope" items. I think the joinery image is far too vague.

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potetjp · January 2017

kevinlomas a écrit :
What age is this book aimed at?

Adults by default, but teenagers and adults in advanced countries.

Anyway, old films used to use clips of trains entering tunnels, or reverse clips of chimneys being demolished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJWJE0x7T4Q

In a Macadam Cowboy, the Coca Cola can gushing forth its content is an apt visual metaphore of ejaculation.

But if you look the word up it refers to far more than just sex, it can also refer to other social interaction, apparently.

My book is about all the aspects of genitality. The only limit is the vocabulary. If a term doesn't exist, the concept doesn't exist either.

potetjp · January 2017

kevinlomas a écrit :
There's a story about early Russian and American joint space enterprises, but it could be just an urban myth.

When they decided between them to dock a US capsule with the Russian Space Station they had a big argument about who should have the 'female' docking adapter and who should have the 'male' one.

Really? The capsule has the socket and the module has the plug.

potetjp · January 2017

kevinlomas a écrit :
It only needs to hint at the sexual act. This is not exactly seen as porn and is on display to all in the Tate.

Why use a Western piece of art for something Philippine? Do you have evidence they used to kiss that way? Even the Anglo-Saxons didn't French kiss as evidenced by the very expression they use for such a kiss. Etc.

potetjp · January 2017

Skoob_Ym a écrit :
You may understate the hypocrisy.

If my colleagues (and my own eyes) are to be believed in even a small part, one may persuade a Filipina prostitute to do nearly anything at all: the only thing off-limits is to suggest by word or deed that a prostitute is in fact a prostitute. That suggestion would constitute a Grave Oral Defamation, and could lead to both criminal and civil penalties.

I, myself, did not partake.

My book is not judgmental. I take every aspects of genitality as is. I only sound somehow judgmental when I recall how Christian priests imposed their sexual puritanism and hypocrisy, both inherited from the Semitic world, and the repression that goes with it. One cannot understand Filipinos if one overlooks this double-faced system.

potetjp · January 2017

Skoob_Ym a écrit :
You may understate the hypocrisy.

If my colleagues (and my own eyes) are to be believed in even a small part, one may persuade a Filipina prostitute to do nearly anything at all: the only thing off-limits is to suggest by word or deed that a prostitute is in fact a prostitute. That suggestion would constitute a Grave Oral Defamation, and could lead to both criminal and civil penalties.

I, myself, did not partake.

My book is not judgmental. I take every aspect of genitality as is. I only sound somehow judgmental when I recall how Christian priests imposed their sexual puritanism and hypocrisy, both inherited from the Semitic world, and the repression that goes with it. One cannot understand Filipinos if one overlooks this double-faced system.

Just Kevin · January 2017

Adults by default, but teenagers and adults in advanced countries.

What is one of those? But I mainly asked because I wondered who a more relevant image would upset, especially considering the title it already has.

Just Kevin · January 2017

Really? The capsule has the socket and the module has the plug

I cannot recall the compromise they were said to have reached, but they did. Perhaps the Russians objected to being penetrated by an American. Then again it was one of the Shuttles equipped with an adapter.

Just Kevin · January 2017

Why use a Western piece of art for something Philippine?

They were just my examples to do with such common images which offend no one. Find whatever other examples you see fit. Did they invent mortice and tenon joints there? (Deep sigh).

Do you have evidence they used to kiss that way?

Whom? Statues? Do you have evidence they do not kiss like everyone else does, and always have? What a strange thing to say. All humans are from the same ancient stock. Even our nearest relatives in the animal kingdom kiss the same way.

Even the Anglo-Saxons didn't French kiss as evidenced by the very expression they use for such a kiss. Etc.

Errr, a French Kiss is including the use of tonges ... Why it is called that I have no idea because I am sure it was never exclusive to them. Otherwise it is just a kiss. Who mentioned French Kissing anyway?

Just Kevin · January 2017

My book is not judgmental. I take every aspects of genitality as is. I only sound somehow judgmental when I recall how Christian priests imposed their sexual puritanism and hypocrisy,

You are right about the hypocrisy, and it is still true to this day, and I doubt it's exclusive just to Christian ones.

potetjp · January 2017

kevinlomas a écrit :
Why use a Western piece of art for something Philippine?

They were just my examples to do with such common images which offend no one. Find whatever other examples you see fit. Did they invent mortice and tenon joints there? (Deep sigh).

Yes mortice and tenon were used in the Philippines.

The crude statuettes representing deities or ancestors were destroyed by Spanish monks.

The only artistic production during the Spanish period is religious (Jesus Christ, the Virgin, the Infant Jesus, saints).

By the end of the Spanish period and during the US period some painters, like Fernando Amorsolo, represented beautiful girls, but all their works are under tight copyright.

Do you have evidence they used to kiss that way?

Whom? Statues? Do you have evidence they do not kiss like everyone else does, and always have? What a strange thing to say. All humans are from the same ancient stock. Even our nearest relatives in the animal kingdom kiss the same way.

The book is about genitality among the Tagalogs, a nation of the Philippines, not the whole humanity.

I'm afraid you are not aware kissing on the mouth is not a universal practice, or at least wasn't.

Even the Anglo-Saxons didn't French kiss as evidenced by the very expression they use for such a kiss. Etc.

Errr, a French Kiss is including the use of tonges ... Why it is called that I have no idea because I am sure it was never exclusive to them. Otherwise it is just a kiss. Who mentioned French Kissing anyway?

Genitality in Tagalog

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