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Nick.Popio
Posts: 88
Registered: ‎10-26-2009

International Shipping Issues

At Lulu, we strive to listen to our customers and respond to their issues. One of the things we have consistently been hearing from our users are concerns about the cost of shipping internationally. As such, I wanted to address some of these concerns, and assure you that we're doing our best to resolve them in the best possible way.

Unfortunately, the situation with international shipping prices being as high as they are is the result of several known issues. One of these issues is that, in October, we switched mail providers and in that transition lost some of our lower cost international shipping choices. In addition, we had been absorbing a lot of cost in international shipping and had to increase our charges to match. The combination of these two events resulted in some of the prices users are currently seeing. To resolve the situation, we rolled out an economy shipping option for international users that, while a little more expensive than the previous cost users may have been seeing, was much more reasonable. Unfortunately, this option does not have tracking associated with it, which we know has caused issues for some of our customers.

We've also seen confusion regarding where the book is shipping from. In most cases, the higher shipping prices are only occurring in situations where an item is being shipped from the US to another country. At this time we have printers in 4 countries and some of them have limitations on the binding types, trim sizes, and types of products they can print. As such, there are cases where an order can only be shipped from a printer in the US, resulting in higher prices. We are actively working to reduce the number of products that have to be shipped overseas.

Finally, there are also situations where our system stores the shipping preferences chosen from your last order, resulting in a situation where the default shipping method is not the least expensive option. This can be corrected by changing the shipping method before ordering, but it is not always obvious that this is an option.

We apologize for any inconvenience these issues have caused, and we are striving to improve your purchase experience and provide you with affordable and effective global shipping. We are currently looking at rolling out solutions over the next several months and we will keep you updated with information as we finalize the details. In the meantime, we recommend that you follow Wil Wheaton's advice, and offer both an electronic version and create a "World Edition" of your book. The World Edition should be softcover and should be in one of our International sizes (6x9, 6.625x10.25, 4.25X6.875, 9x7, Royal, Crown Quatro, or A4) to ensure that it won't be shipped from the US.
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moben
Posts: 65
Registered: ‎02-11-2010

Re: International Shipping Issues

LULU

Love your sense of humour, this is an excellent post and I think that you should start writing a book of lulu jokes.

Seriously, I really had a great time reading this.

Thanks
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ValerieJLong
Posts: 658
Registered: ‎02-11-2010

Re: International Shipping Issues

Mois, nice to see you here again!

Well ...

"Nick Popio" wrote:

We are actively working to reduce the number of products that have to be shipped overseas.


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You can read this statement different ways... well, nobody can deny they are successful.


(The definite way to achieve this goal would be to shut down Lulu.)
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lotontech
Posts: 236
Registered: ‎02-11-2010

Re: International Shipping Issues

Reminds me of when George W Bush said:

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

:wink:
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ValerieJLong
Posts: 658
Registered: ‎02-11-2010

Re: International Shipping Issues

:lol: Tony, you made my day!
Val
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moben
Posts: 65
Registered: ‎02-11-2010

Re: International Shipping Issues

Loved your joke too and now Tony's.



If we get a bit into the matter, economy shipping is not slightly more expensive than what it used to be in October, it is much more expensive. One 200 pages books has a shipping tag of 20$ to Israel! I used to order 5-7 books before that.


Valerie

I was busy moving all my books to createspace, and I am very happy with them. They don't have all the possibilities lulu have, so I am still here. But for a paperback it seems to me that CS is way above lulu. They dont have ebooks (which is most of my sales now in lulu), or hardcovers (which is nice but too expensive). There is no distribution neither (only amazon.com which is quite a lot), but the free distribution offered by lulu has proven to be a hoax, I entered 10 titles and only one of them made it, the other had many lulu excuses or they show as out of stock. I gave up.


So well, thanks for all the changes, lulu, it made me learn how to use CS (something I kept postponing for months) and now I am also saving a lot of money in the books I buy. Even my royalties are higher. :roll:
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Carol_Housel
Posts: 461
Registered: ‎11-24-2009

Re: International Shipping Issues

"Valerie J. Long" wrote:

Mois, nice to see you here again!

Well ...

"Nick Popio" wrote:

We are actively working to reduce the number of products that have to be shipped overseas.


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You can read this statement different ways... well, nobody can deny they are successful.


(The definite way to achieve this goal would be to shut down Lulu.)


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To clarify a bit, Nick was stating that we are actively working with our print partners to have more trim sizes printed overseas, which will enable us to offer more competitive shipping prices for our International customers.

I am pretty sure you already knew this and were just having some fun, but I just wanted to clarify in case this caused any confusion.

Ok, carry on!

Best-
Carol
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ValerieJLong
Posts: 658
Registered: ‎02-11-2010

Re: International Shipping Issues

"Carol" wrote:

I am pretty sure you already knew this and were just having some fun, but I just wanted to clarify in case this caused any confusion.


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Sure, but I could not resist. I'm sure you all try your best.
8)
Valerie
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Yann Chachkoff
Posts: 14
Registered: ‎02-11-2010

Re: International Shipping Issues

"Nick Popio" wrote:

Unfortunately, the situation with international shipping prices being as high as they are is the result of several known issues. One of these issues is that, in October, we switched mail providers and in that transition lost some of our lower cost international shipping choices. In addition, we had been absorbing a lot of cost in international shipping and had to increase our charges to match. The combination of these two events resulted in some of the prices users are currently seeing.


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One may wonder why your company that "strives to listen to its customers" switched mail providers in the first place, given the terrible impact the new fees would have on the international market.

Moreover, we are not speaking of a small increase in prices; if I remember well, the standard pricing for overseas shipment went as high as 100US$. No "mail provider switch" could possibly explain that.

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As such, there are cases where an order can only be shipped from a printer in the US, resulting in higher prices. We are actively working to reduce the number of products that have to be shipped overseas.


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Again, the more logical way to solve the issue seems obvious: find another mail provider for overseas shipments. If individuals are able to send packages between the US and overseas for lower prices than Lulu, then the question of 'why such a poor mail provider' appears to be central if you really 'want to address some of these concerns'.

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In the meantime, we recommend that you follow Wil Wheaton's advice, and offer both an electronic version and create a "World Edition" of your book. The World Edition should be softcover and should be in one of our International sizes (6x9, 6.625x10.25, 4.25X6.875, 9x7, Royal, Crown Quatro, or A4) to ensure that it won't be shipped from the US.


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So after five months, the only solution you were able to design was that we should consider non-US customers as second-class ones, that do not deserve the higher quality of a hardcover book? I'm not sure we have the same definition of 'striving'.

I can't help thinking all this is nothing more than a masquerade designed to segment the market and ensure that non-US customers cannot get their books printed in the US. I really wonder why you have such a hard time admitting it - at least, people would know what to expect and adjust their policy accordingly.

Your message is nothing but a rehash of what you said five months ago, which can be summarized as: we'll not change prices, non-US customers shouldn't expect the same service quality than US ones, we have found no suitable replacement and don't plan having one on the short term. So what was the purpose of your message, apart linking to the Wil Wheaton's interview?

Oh, I don't expect any answer to this anyway - from last November's discussions, it appeared pretty clear that Lulu staff never provided any answer to those, and your post shows no intend for that policy to change.
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moben
Posts: 65
Registered: ‎02-11-2010

Re: International Shipping Issues

OK, numbers


economy option

1 books 195 pages paperback 6X9 inches: shipping for one copy to Israel 19.96$!!!!


Do you call this ECONOMY?

I am not aware of any bookseller on the internet that charges these shipping prices. Betterworld will charge 4$ sshipping for any sized book, amazon will charge 11$, which is a a lot, but who in his own mind would pay 20$ to order one book? let alone 100$ for standard shipping?


Add to this "This ship method is not trackable. If lost, Lulu will not be able to locate or replace this order." and I have not sold one book from the lulu site to be shipped to Israel since October. I am not surprised at all, I knew that was going to happen. It's just obvious.






IT would be enough to say that the shipping is not trackable, since whether LULU likes it or not they will have to refund or reship any packet that the client claims did not arrive. They have to it or else they could pay a chargeback to the credit card provider or paypal,refund the money and pay 50$ in top of it, so LULU knows that if the packet does not arrive they will have to refund it or replace it so why in the first place are you discouraging the client from using the economy option????
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