02-21-2010 12:07 PM
I would like to do a better job of making sure that we proactively consult with the community about upcoming issues and changes at Lulu, and I want to hear from you how we can best accomplish that. How would you feel most comfortable giving us your ideas? Survey? The Ideas & Feedback section? Direct email? Something else entirely?
02-21-2010 03:37 PM
Nick
I mean no offence by what I type hear, but here's the problem.
From the other responses on the thead for welcome back forumss, it's apparent theirs a distict lack of trust between the users and Lulu itself.
Some of this is down to change, some of it down to the users not being asked about the format to the change. I'm not sure how I look at it as including the users in the actual changes is going to be difficult unless you build the software yourselves.
In my honest opinion I don't think you are going to get too many takers on this at the moment. First, I think you need to fix some of the things that are broken and gain back some of the trust you've lost, such as fixing the book review issues.
A simple fix to the forums would be to get the newest at the top. The number of quibles that will stop and the good faith it would gain would be an easy win.
Now I'm getting use to the forum structure, I' getting round OK and I don't appear to have an issue with speed either, but there are things I miss.
In essence, I think you should repair whats broken, and then come back and ask for our opinion on things. Involving us in user acceptance testing now isn't going to get you very far.
02-22-2010 08:41 AM
Nick,
Please begin with a 'sitemap' rubric'd in the main menu at the top of 'homepage' that would open to a full page of JUST that sitemap fully laid out.
To say: we must be given clear and distinct indicators/choices of where to go in order to do what; and the most commonsense format would likely be in a standard 'outline' structure -- whether by 'tree' or 'paragraph' or whatever doesn't matter provided the headings and subheadings and links make sense, i.e., are intuitive, as it were.
As it is, for instance, 'Community' and 'Support' open to the same page: 'Support'
Isn't the sense of redundancy overriding any surmisal of integration via that dual listing?
Once the 'map' is in place, the three or more options you mention in your post here could all be present, each stating its uniqueness, no?
Normally, seems to me and mine, a well laid out sitemap is its own explanation, as one can see at a glance the totality as an overview and thus get a feel for the logic in its layout.
As it is now, I, and apparently many others, get the impression that each page -- including the homepage ... and thereafter -- was modeled by a message board with sticky-notes placed first-come-first-guarded helterskelter from corner to corner as space permitted. Any sense of rationale got lost early on.
Hope this helps,
Richard
02-22-2010 08:58 AM
Roger,
Those are all excellent points. I'm looking into whether it's possible to sort posts by newest first, etc. Ideally I would like for users to have as much control as they want (they choose email permissions, post ordering, etc), but I don't know how much of that is feasible. Still, I'm doing my best.
Richard,
Good point. Let me ask you this, how do you think we could improve that clarity using the current structure? In other words, if you click on Community, you are presented with a series of forums and descriptions. The implication of your comments is that their current titles and descriptions aren't clear enough so you don't know what to expect when you click on them. Would clearer descriptions help? Would showing a list of what's inside each category help?
Regards,
Nick
02-22-2010 09:09 AM
You would save yourselves a huge amount of headaches by simply requesting users to help beta test ANYTHING before you launch it. I've said this before. Lulu is run by a bunch of techno-geeks. Having techno-geeks test something is useless. You need to have your normal, everyday users beta test changes to see how they will actually be used.
02-22-2010 09:53 AM
Julie,
I will be speaking to the engineers about the feasiblity of beta-testing things. I would love to see that.
02-22-2010 10:04 AM
Nick,
How to polish the current presentation is a bit analogous to asking how to polish a coconut, isn't it? Sure, can be done, but ...
Nevertheless, how about starting with 'Community' on the homepage, as there is likely where most creators will hang out once they are into Lulu -- indeed, as trends go presently over the Net, why not call it 'Community Hangout', 'Creators Hangout' or simply 'The Hangout', as once there forums dominate the landscape.
Meanwhile, where to place the 'community sitemap'? (or 'hangout sitemap') Surely as far up front as possible. I would vote for its being the title and page opened from (whether 'community', ' hangout', 'whatever') the main menu's rubric.
As for clarity, yes, as you now have the headings under 'community sitemap', a word or two of distinguishing features under each heading should do the trick.
Richard
02-22-2010 12:12 PM
Survey?: No
The Ideas & Feedback section? No
Direct email? No
Something else entirely?: Honestly? Go back to a normal forum design and use that. Forums allow real discussion not responses to surveys that pre-suppose a certain out come, of single emails not one else can see and staff don't have time to read. You could also indicate some substantial processing and deadlines for the suggestions you already have. That is:
Make a site map.
Move the site map out of support and into its own community area.
Paginate.
Bring back the UK forum.
Bring back the comedy forum.
You could also look at the old forum archives to see all of the things people have asked for over and over for months and years. Like the ability to give out discount codes. Having review appear in all geographic zones, especially zones that are English speaking (Brits can actually read and understand "American"). Like not sending offers specific to Brits to Australians and New Zealanders. Like having a system, to explain why some books get hit with insane shipping fees, and what could be done to avoid them. Like having a popup of something to let people know when they have double ordred an item (perhaps by mistake). Like having a method for creators to 'test drive' purchasing the book. And I am sure others could mention some more.
The things that is firstrating is that you had the perfect feedback devices but never used it. Now it is gone you want to hear from us? Pardon me for feeling a little less than grateful.
02-22-2010 12:59 PM
When one types lulu.com in most search engines more negative comes up then positive.
At first I was excited about having found lulu.com for my publishing needs. Then as a novice I asked too many questions and lulu.com really started getting nasty towards, but novices even after reading all that they could need help.
Actually, I have now come to really enjoy lulu.com and intend to continue publishing here.
PR is so vital to growth of any company. I would simply suggest that lulu.com be a little more patient with Newbies after all, honey gathers more more Friends.
Sincerely,
Pastor Brady
02-22-2010 02:13 PM
Nick, while we have your attention...
Perhaps you can convince someone to stop treating us like 4 year olds and remove the language filter? Come on, now. So far, the following words seem to trigger the filter and require moderator approval
s e x
d a m n
b u g g e r
s a n d (I really don't get this one at all, but it was mentioned in a different thread)
h o (I guess Santa isn't invited to Lulu anymore!)
m o r o n
r e t a r d (geesh, did Sarah Palin complain to someone at Lulu?)
a s s
g a y
l e s b i a n
I think there is something significantly wrong with a site that is allegedly meant for writers censoring what words we can use. I mean, has this really been a significant problem around here? Do we have that many potty-mouthed sailors that we need a language filter?

