04-08-2012 07:50 PM - edited 04-08-2012 07:50 PM
Basic punctuation does break up sentences for speech effects, moods and such like. A comma can change the whole meaning of a, sentence, and a full stop can, stop it. I play around with them for ages. There are other types of punctuation though that can complicate: matters.
But also there are using the wrong words, such as wrote instead of written and vice versa. Or the very common now - less - when it should be fewer, not to mention the lack of ' in a lot of signwriting, causing people to think that is normal
04-09-2012 06:16 PM
04-10-2012 09:27 AM
A college professor wrote this phrase on his blackboard and asked one male and one female student to punctuate it:
A woman without her man is nothing
The male student wrote:
A woman, without her man, is nothing.
The female student wrote:
A woman; without her, man is nothing.
Do you see how punctuation can completely change the meaning of a sentence?
04-10-2012 10:46 AM
Yes, I understand that it can change a sentence, to mean one thing or another.
I'm saying to the best of my knowledge, my story is written correctly, with the sentences having the right tone etc... but everyone says otherwise, this my problem.
04-10-2012 07:36 PM
04-10-2012 08:11 PM
Matthew, thanks for your post
I'm not sure what to say.
I didn't mean just people on here. It's weird because the people who read it (all 3 of them) and liked it regardless of grammar mistakes etc aren't English and the people who are English have said it's unreadable passed the first chapter.
I don't have anyone else to share it with. Fancy a read?
At the moment, I'm just editing out the copyright stuff. Which was a valid point that come up and I'm addressing that.
I know people have said that grammar can't be overlooked... but I don't think my story is unreadable, not that it will be without errors.
It's for example, when you watch TV, sometimes you have to overlook stuff, and these can be things that are major plotlines that don't make sense, it hasn't stopped shows getting viewers.
I'm kind of at the stage now where I think, just read it and then tell me what sucks, not the other way around. Chapter 1, may have bad sentence structure etc (that I can't see for love nor money) but then chapter 9 say, could have a great bit of story too it (this is just for example, I'm not saying it has). But if a reader wont read on, how would they know.
I'm not good at explaining what I mean... I hope you understand what I'm trying to say?
04-10-2012 08:53 PM
04-10-2012 09:09 PM
04-10-2012 09:10 PM
I for one am not always sure what a 'professional' is when it comes to things like English. Often peoples' view of it depends on the era in which they learned it and who off. (Personally I write in an 'old fashioned' manner, old boy).
The many levels of qualifications in English in the UK, for example, often contradict each other as well. As do many guide books on the subject.
It can also matter a great deal if English it not your first language and you were not taught it by a 'natural' English speaker, also, as well, too.
All the above can make a difference on how an editor works over your manuscript also. Often it can be a simple matter of how pedantic some are, not to mention just what level of English they are trained to. Never assume that anyone who sets themselves up as something and charges for it, are actually qualified at the level they need to be, or at all (nowadays they may just be running it through Word or something).
I for one never really read the Previews as such. I 'scan' them. Some things stick out like a sore thumb and I will comment on that, otherwise I restrict myself to commenting on how it looks. Just look how long this thread has become when people do start to comment on the words.
04-10-2012 09:26 PM - edited 04-10-2012 09:31 PM
Thanks for the comments.
Matthew, aww thanks. I'll try and get the revised (copyright stuff taken out) version to you maybe tomorrow or Thursday. Will a PDF file do... I'm working in OpenOffice, and don't have word on my laptop. PDF is better because everything is layout as it should be, I know your not looking at that but still.
Even if you point out some stuff, and just read it purely for the story.
Again, thank you
So what your saying is grammar is quite subjective... what I was taught say 20 years ago, might be different to someone now or even 10 years before me.
If this is the case, why have people jumped on what appears to be, not that bigger deal, Aas I said I think it's well written enough to understand the storyline.