I don't have foul language or graphic violence in my novel

Does modern fiction stand a chance of being read without the graphic stuff, including sex, in it?

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  • Just KevinJust Kevin Lulu Genius Lulu Genius
    of course, even porn, but you cannot publish porn or anything that's sexual and graphic just for the sake of it here.
  • Ron MillerRon Miller Professor Professor
    Kevin is right. There are scores of best-selling novels that have neither graphic sex nor violence.
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  • AuntySocialiteAuntySocialite Writer Llareggub, Wales, UK Writer
    Great post! There's some cussing in my about-to-be-published 2nd novel, but everything else is suggested. I've always thought a story works more powerfully and haunts when you trust your readers' intelligence and imagination.
    'A dog judges others not by their colour or creed or class, but by who they are inside.'


  • Just KevinJust Kevin Lulu Genius Lulu Genius
    Indeed. Suggestion is adequate in most cases, but not always. But there's no need to go OTT with descriptions, and not every such instance ends up with the actual sex-act, anyway. There's no real need for it. Some of my books are marked Adult Content mainly due to profanities in the dialogue. Some people do actually talk that way! (And it was my choice to include it to be 'real' and to decide to add the Adult Content flag so as not to offend some people, even though kids talk that way also!) And there's no stronger word to denote extreme surprise or hitting one's thumb with a hammer than f***!
  • SeamusSeamus Creator Creator

    Tim Reinholt Author of Pow, a ski bum heist adventure
  • AuntySocialiteAuntySocialite Writer Llareggub, Wales, UK Writer
    So if we do have swearing in our novel we have to mark it adult content? Doesn't that make it sound like erotica? I would think if it's in the General section & not juvenile then people would expect a book not written for children... (love the HST jpg btw)
    'A dog judges others not by their colour or creed or class, but by who they are inside.'


  • SeamusSeamus Creator Creator
    This is just my opinion, but if all you have is some curse words I wouldn't bother with the warning. Figure curse words are in PG-13 movies, and the warning is for 18+.
    I put the warning on mine mainly for drug references plus the language, ...and I know some one who gave it to their 13 year-old.  You might get a broader audience without it.
    Tim Reinholt Author of Pow, a ski bum heist adventure
  • TheJesusNinjaTheJesusNinja Teacher Teacher
    Although not a book, the newest version of the movie Ben Hur was excellent. No cursing, graphic violence, or nudity. One of the best movies I've seen. I think it's refreshing to read a book or watch a movie without all the worldly crap in it.
  • Just KevinJust Kevin Lulu Genius Lulu Genius
    So if we do have swearing in our novel we have to mark it adult content?


    There's only that one option to click at Lulu and usually books for YA and downwards don't have profanities in them, so one has no choice but to click that one option. (KDP options have 'scales' of options to do with content.)

     Doesn't that make it sound like erotica?

    It could even make it sound like porn.

     I would think if it's in the General section & not juvenile then people would expect a book not written for children...


    Is the General section not for all ages? But my stories are SF, so not in the General section. But I agree to a degree, if one clicks on the Children section one would expect them to be just for the under 13s?  There's no YA section in the Fiction options though, and there should be. There is a Teen option not under Fiction though, and it only has two works of fiction in it, nothing else. (One listed as 'For all ages'  though!)


  • Just KevinJust Kevin Lulu Genius Lulu Genius
    This is just my opinion, but if all you have is some curse words I wouldn't bother with the warning. Figure curse words are in PG-13 movies, and the warning is for 18+.


    I agree, but PG means Parental Guidance, so somewhere along the line those who came up with the grading expected parents to know what the contents of everything is, and you don't find sex or profanities, and many other 'bad' things, in YA stories, and definitely not in children's books, which are both under 18. There were complaints about my children's story, 'Spot the F****** Dog.'

    I put the warning on mine mainly for drug references plus the language, ...and I know some one who gave it to their 13 year-old.  You might get a broader audience without it.


    Indeed, from 5 to 18?   :) 
  • Just KevinJust Kevin Lulu Genius Lulu Genius
    Although not a book, the newest version of the movie Ben Hur was excellent. No cursing, graphic violence, or nudity.

    There were none in the original that I can recall.

     One of the best movies I've seen. I think it's refreshing to read a book or watch a movie without all the worldly crap in it.

    Keep it unreal?  Many writers do leave it out, though, simply so they don't have to class it as Adult. It's the same with films and TV shows.

    The games industry is a good example perhaps. 
    A while back they were forced by 'concerned citizens' to add Parental Controls to them. Turn off the gore and swearing. Apparently it's ok to depict someone getting their head blown off in games that children buy, as long as there's no blood. I don't think any games have those controls in them still.

  • SeamusSeamus Creator Creator
     Kevin, sometimes I just write responses to you and then delete them. 
    Tim Reinholt Author of Pow, a ski bum heist adventure
  • Just KevinJust Kevin Lulu Genius Lulu Genius
    Er, why? I was agreeing with you. (Do we not speak the same language?) This forum is strange.
  • LicSLicS Reader https://www.scribd.com/user/346602778/Kurt-Burnum Reader
    Very interesting and very informative. 
  • TheJesusNinjaTheJesusNinja Teacher Teacher
    Kevin I wasn't comparing versions of Ben Hur. What I was saying was that most modern movies of that type tend to use graphic violence and vulgar language to get more people to watch. Stop reading into everyone's comments. You won't have to type so much then :)
  • Ron MillerRon Miller Professor Professor
    To answer the original question, there are plenty of best-selling novels today that do not depend on graphic sex and violence. Or even any sex and violence, for that matter.
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  • RoyRRoyR Author Author
    edited September 24
    I do not like foul language or graphic violence, nor do I read books that are full of them. Not that I'm opposed to a book having sex and violence, but it can be done without horrible language. I have written sex scenes without using any foul language or even mentioning body parts, and there was no doubt what was happening.
     I feel the same way with movies. I have nothing against nudity in movies, but when it's only used for vulgar sex scenes, it's unnecessary.  I have turned off many movies within the first ten minutes on TV when the first scene or two has a number of "F" words for no other reason than to say them. 
    Another pet peeve in movies for me is, a few years ago when someone was sick it would show them going into the bathroom, or behind a tree and hearing coughing sounds like throwing up. The intent was clear. Now, however they alway have to show something coming out of their mouths when they throw up. Even on TV. That is unnecessary.  Call me a prude, or behind times, or whatever, I really don't care. I know what appeals to me and what turns me off, and there are many others that feel the same. 
  • Just KevinJust Kevin Lulu Genius Lulu Genius
    Some like to go for realism. 
  • Skoob_ymSkoob_ym Teacher Teacher
    I'm thinking of writing a novel about ducks so that I can check the box for "Fowl Language."
  • oncewasoncewas Librarian Librarian

    Skoob, you could try writing about unadulterated collateral when borrowing money and call it pure pawn.


  • Ron MillerRon Miller Professor Professor

    I gave up pornography years ago when I couldn't get a new needle for my pornograph.


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  • Skoob_ymSkoob_ym Teacher Teacher
    I noticed someone was throwing birdseed... Obviously the conDucktor. As more fowl entered the scene, you observe inDucktion, and as they departed, deDucktion. I'm merely remarking on this, not making a Ducklaration. Okay, I know there's a fine for making horrible puns that aren't all they're quacked up to be, so just send me the bill.
  • A_A_CainA_A_Cain Creator Oz Creator
    Skoob_ym said:

    Okay, I know there's a fine for making horrible puns that aren't all they're quacked up to be, so just send me the bill. 
    Skoob, you know that Coleridge mariner fellow with the albatross around his neck?? You really should pay attention... if you become becalmed, you only have yourself to blame ;).
  • Skoob_ymSkoob_ym Teacher Teacher
    Farewell, Farewell, But this I tell
    To thee, thou wedding guest:
    He punneth well who loveth well
    Both man and puns and ducks.
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