Disappeared Book and where did my royalties go?

Hi,

 

this is a bit of a confusing issue, so please hear me out, and perhaps you can give me some info on where to start to retrieve my property:

 

In 2008, I was still married to my then manager. He had set up an account here on LULU and published several books, amongst which was a book that I wrote and illustrated. It was published under my company's name. There were two ISBN numbers (one for hardback, one for paperback). 

 

Since I've left him, and the copyright for the book entirely went to me - the book has completely disappeared from my account (or perhaps it was his account at the time? I do not know - again: I was not the business manager and only had hand in writing and illustrating the book. It was a coffeetable type book about my artwork).

In online searches, there are hundreds of my book out there available for purchase, apparently. But if it is not published on Lulu.com anymore - where are these places and online vendors getting that book from? It still shows my name, and my company name as author/publisher - but I do not have any access to information regarding who is printing those books, where teh money from sales is going, nor anything of that nature.

Does anyone know how to track down that information? It seems to me that there is a bit of a fraud event going on, but of course, I cannot say for sure. If people out there are deriving money from my copyrighted work, I sure would like to know about it, and possibly buy myself a cup of coffee or somesuch from the proceeds LOL

 

Is there a way for LULU to retrieve information about what was happening with all that, by looking at former accounts, for example? Surely they have to retain some information about their users/publishers/payouts, etc, right?

 

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me on this - I'm stumped!

 

Dascha

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  • Papi_SoñolientoPapi_Soñoliento Southern Escarpment Hill Country Teacher

    You might want to PM a moderator or file a support ticket with the relevant information in the message.

    Us simple end-users don't have the ability to dig into the problem.

  • what are the ISBNs and what is the title/author?

  • Just KevinJust Kevin Lulu Genius

    A Lulu account belongs to who created it, regardless of content, and they can of course cancel it, and all that goes with it. Smiley Frustrated

    Who where the royalties paid to?

     


  • Sheep Incognito by Conni Togel. ... This books publish date is October 30, 2008 and it has a suggested retail price of ... The 10 digit ISBN is 0615255620 and the 13 digit ISBN is 9780615255620.

    The book seems to still be available through various sources - but where are they getting the book from? I am not receiving royalties from any of it - so I am trying to follow the path backwards to the source to find out who is actually making money off of my work.
  • Forgot to add: I would like to start selling my book at my shows - but how would I need to go about that? I might still have the original digital files somewhere...but it is not clear to me where to even start getting back my royalties etc.
  • Just KevinJust Kevin Lulu Genius

    Your books have an ISBN, that means anyone can advertise it for sale, anywhere, and many certainly seem to be doing so on Amazon.

    They are POD books. None are made until an order is placed.

    They are very expensive books!

    The main one I looked at says >>   Publisher: Charisma Art Gallery, LLC (2 Oct 2008), so assumingly Lulu's ISBNs were not used.

    They still exist >>   http://www.charisma-art.com/

    There's only one book title under your name on Amazon.

    I would suggest you start the other way around. Ask Amazon. But proving you have the right to ask could be a problem.

     

  • Just KevinJust Kevin Lulu Genius

    Forgot to add: I would like to start selling my book at my shows - but how would I need to go about that? I might still have the original digital files somewhere...but it is not clear to me where to even start getting back my royalties etc.

    Open an account here and recreate it.

    http://connect.lulu.com/t5/Print-and-eBooks/tkbc-p/forums_kb

    The thing is, if you did not set up the original account, and any potential royalties were not paid to you, then you need to take it up with your ex-husband, and a lawyer.

  •  

    First - just because your book is being advertiised on the web it doesn't mean that any copies are being held or that any copies are being sold.

    Many sites listing it are  sellers of second-hand books.

    A list price of $69.50 for a 164 page paperback would be enough to deter most people.

    There are a several things you could do.

    1) as you have the original digital files, create a new account on Lulu and republish the book with a new ISBN and lower price. Call it a second edition and give an updated introduction - now anyone looking for the book will be likely to buy this lower priced, more recent edition.

    This option costs you nothing, is relatively quick and ensures future revenue comes to you.

    all the rest are more time consuming and involve lawyers. Lawyers cost money and books do not make much money and your ex-partner may not have the money left to pay even if you can take him to law and win. And the revenue from book sales are unlikelyto cover lawyer costs.

    so

    Contact Amazon and ask them to whom they pay royalties for the book and/or ask them to stop listing it. But they'd probably want a lawyers letter

    Contact Lulu Support - click HELP at top right of this screen. ask them if they are holding digital copies of the book/ holding any revenues/paying out revenues and if so to whom. They too may want a lawyers involvement to disclose account details.

    Best of luck

  • Papi_SoñolientoPapi_Soñoliento Southern Escarpment Hill Country Teacher

    Dare one assume you registered your copyright in your name?

    Or is it a case of the former manager having registered the copyright, possibly under another name?

  • Thanks for all the insights...I thought republishing might be the way to go with it, just wasn't sure if that would cause other problems for myself.

     

    I will definitely ask Amazon where royalties are going...

     

    Thanks again!

     

     

  • As others suggested, you should contact your ex-manager and ask him to retire the content and provide any sales information.

    As the copyright holder, you can reupload the manuscript and create new projects. If this is to be a second edition, you will also need new ISBNs.

     

  • I have $55.54 coming to me from the Dec. 30th pay period .  The question is when can I expect a check?    I asked to be payed by paper check and not Paypal.  I believe I have ll the correct info for this kind of payment.

  • Hello Windstriker

    If you choose to receive your payments by check, and your revenue exceeds the minimum $20 threshold, you will receive quarterly revenue payments disbursed within 45 days following the end of the quarter. For example, payments are mailed on or before May 15 for all qualifying revenue earned from January 1 thru March 31. Check payments are made only in US Dollars.

    For more information about our creator revenues, see: Where's My Money?

  • If I reupload and add new ISBNs, what will that do to the connections with Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc.?

    How would I need to go about getting my ISBNs connected to all the listings there - or how would I need to re-distribute? Sorry, I'm quite a newbie with all this...the ex had set up all my accounts for my company - then changed passwords, removed content, taken over email and other online accounts, etc. when he left my company.

    I was told by Amazon that the account has been switched to "private" - whatever that means. The book is still being sold - I bought one recently.

    So someone IS getting money from this, but I can't discern if Amazon is the one printing the book and paying royalties to someone? Or do they get the book from LuLu.com, and LuLu pays the royalties to whoever it is that has the account that is publishing my books? The copyright notice is still in the book - with my company's name. And my name is the author. The artwork is mine, the text is mine. etc.

     

    If in fact all is well, the person selling my books has a right to sell my books, and is the legal owner of the copyrights, then surely that information would be easy for LuLu Management to obtain, and to prove that that person is the correct person to which they should be paying royalties. 

    I would be more than happy to supply my documentation of ownership - can LuLu get that same info from whoever it is they are sending the money to?

    Why should I  be the one jumping through hoops to keep my property, when clearly there is a bit of fraudulent activity happening here, and that is just being ignored with "just open a new account" comments? Republish? Why? The book IS published. And someone else is earning money by selling it. Illegally. 

     

    Opening a new account quite obviously does not fix the issue of someone stealing income from my company or deriving income from my intellectual property. If this is a non-issue, then why is it so difficult to get a response of "We will look into this matter, verify the account owner is in fact the author/publisher, owns the copyright, and has license to what they are selling" from LuLu?

     

    If LuLu wants to verify my claims, I can send you a whole box of documentation, pictures, signatures, files, etc. that substantiate what I am saying. I can send you a copy of the book I recently purchased, and sign it for you. Have that other person do the same....we should compare signatures on that...lol

     

     Maybe I'm wrong and the person is completely unrelated to me in any way - in which case, even more so, LuLu needs to investigate and let me know where the royalties are being sent, and who is behind this whole thefty thing.

     

  • Just KevinJust Kevin Lulu Genius

    If I reupload and add new ISBNs, what will that do to the connections with Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc.?

     

    Confuse people if you cannot remove the other versions.

     

     

    How would I need to go about getting my ISBNs connected to all the listings there

     

    You cannot.

     

    - or how would I need to re-distribute? Sorry, I'm quite a newbie with all this...

     

    But you started this thread many many months ago and got many many replies.

     

    the ex had set up all my accounts for my company - then changed passwords, removed content, taken over email and other online accounts, etc. when he left my company.

    If the ex had no right to then you need to consult a lawyer.

     

    I was told by Amazon that the account has been switched to "private" - whatever that means. The book is still being sold - I bought one recently.

     

    Well unless they are withdrawn then they will still be up for sale. I would assume Private there means you do not have the passwords, but you have already said that.

     

    So someone IS getting money from this,

     

    Was it not paying to a business name then? But is that business still running?

     

    but I can't discern if Amazon is the one printing the book and paying royalties to someone?

     

    Possibly, even if it was placed there by Lulu, but royalties will be paid to Lulu into some account, if the book is using Lulu ISBNs.

     

    Or do they get the book from LuLu.com,

     

    If it is a Lulu ISBN is will say that Lulu is the publisher on the Amazon page.

     

    and LuLu pays the royalties to whoever it is that has the account that is publishing my books?

     

    One would assume so yes, or it's just accumulating.

     

    The copyright notice is still in the book - with my company's name. And my name is the author. The artwork is mine, the text is mine. etc.

     

    You will need to prove you had the right to do that, or that your company did.

     

    If in fact all is well,

     

    Huh?

     

     

    the person selling my books has a right to sell my books, and is the legal owner of the copyrights,

     

    But is that not you? Or your company? You have been saying your ex has not right to.

     

    then surely that information would be easy for LuLu Management to obtain, and to prove that that person is the correct person to which they should be paying royalties. 

     

    Perhaps so, but Lulu has no legal right to tell you, just the opposite. But if the book is on Lulu there's a Report This sort of option where you can claim copyright infringement, and Lulu may look in to it.

     

     

    I would be more than happy to supply my documentation of ownership - can LuLu get that same info from whoever it is they are sending the money to?

     

    Do that then.

     

    Why should I  be the one jumping through hoops to keep my property, when clearly there is a bit of fraudulent activity happening here, and that is just being ignored with "just open a new account" comments? Republish? Why? The book IS published. And someone else is earning money by selling it. Illegally. 

     

    But you have to prove that they are and you have had plenty of time to do so since you started this thread.

     

    Opening a new account quite obviously does not fix the issue of someone stealing income from my company or deriving income from my intellectual property. If this is a non-issue, then why is it so difficult to get a response of "We will look into this matter, verify the account owner is in fact the author/publisher, owns the copyright, and has license to what they are selling" from LuLu?

     

    As I say, this is really between you and your ex. Get a lawyer, but was the book making enough money to warrent that? I doubt it.

     

    If LuLu wants to verify my claims, I can send you a whole box of documentation, pictures, signatures, files, etc. that substantiate what I am saying. I can send you a copy of the book I recently purchased, and sign it for you. Have that other person do the same....we should compare signatures on that...lol

     

    But you are not talking to Lulu but to members of a forum. Do as I say, click the Report This on the Spotlight page the book/s are are on.

     

     Maybe I'm wrong and the person is completely unrelated to me in any way - in which case, even more so, LuLu needs to investigate and let me know where the royalties are being sent, and who is behind this whole thefty thing.

     

    Indeed, but it's your word against whoever you are accusing, for all we know it could be them who have the right to publish ...

     

    Do you have a link to this book then?

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